Imaginary Inpho

The Peloponnesian War by Thucydides - 3 - Justice and Human Nature

Book Three

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"It happened then and will for ever continue to happen, as long as human nature remains the same... In peace and prosperous times both states and individuals observe a higher morality, when there is no forced descent into hardship: but war, which removes the comforts of daily life, runs a violent school and in most men brings out passions that reflect their condition."

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Are all these debates and discussions merely sophistry? Twice in this section there are people arguing that long, fancy speeches are nothing more than tools for manipulation and deceit. Sophists became famous for cynically creating their arguments for whichever side paid them more, and we see those accusations effectively being made here, too. Charisma and the ability to persuade can be hugely powerful, it's a necessary skill for any leader. But a persuasive argument isn't necessarily a true one.

Diodotus gives a strong defense for the need to discuss and debate. He says it's important to remove any perverse incentives that would drive people to lie for personal gain or otherwise corrupt the process. Even if someone is trying to use his/her speech to deceive others, the best defense against that is not to shut down the debate but to meet their argument with a still better one.

War is horrible and reveals the monsters within our human nature. The war in Greece strips away the veneer of civilized order. People commit horrific crimes "in pursuit of power driven by greed." And in the midst of the divisive fighting, "the citizens who remained neutral fell victim to both parties." Thucydides writes this damning summary: "With all life thrown into chaos at this time of crisis for the city, human nature triumphed over law: it had always been inclined to criminal breaking of the laws, but now it revelled in showing itself the slave of passion, a stronger force than justice, and the enemy of anything higher."

People might dispute if passion is "a greater force than justice," but the reports of what happened here seem enough to at least provoke the argument. And it shows just how much is at stake when humans go to war.

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